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    <p>Hallo,</p>
    <p>noch ein Nachtrag:</p>
    <p>Ich habe zwar nur die Messergebnisse von meinem eHZ Zähler, aber
      anhand dessen kann man heute auch zufällig ganz gut die
      Pumpenlaufzeit erkennen :-)</p>
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    @Dominik: Das mit IR-Messung werde machen, danke!<br>
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    Grüße,<br>
    Michael<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.03.2017 um 19:22 schrieb Dominik
      Ulrich:<br>
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        0.5em">bezüglich RL>VL vielleicht mal elektrisch prüfen ob
        die Sensoren richtig aufgelegt sind...<br>
        und mal wenn der Brenner läuft einfach mit einem IR Thermometer
        die Leitungen prüfen.<br>
        so kannst du mindesten die Tendenz sehen. also ob RL>VL <br>
        -- <br>
        Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX
        Mail gesendet.</div>
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        0.3em">Am 28.03.17, 19:15, "Andreas Götz"
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cpuidle@gmail.com"><cpuidle@gmail.com></a> schrieb:
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            Am 28.03.2017 um 19:08 schrieb Dominik Ulrich <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nici11@gmx.de"
              target="_blank">nici11@gmx.de</a>>:<br>
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              <div class="mail_android_message" style="line-height:
                1;padding: 0.5em;">Hallo zusammen<br>
                wenn ich mich mal kurz einschalten darf...<br>
                denke Frank sieht es genau richtig...<br>
                habe auch eine FHB aber mit einer Sole WP...<br>
                however ever... meine WP steuert sich ua über das Delta
                von Vor und Rücklauf Temperatur.<br>
                um dies zu machen muss die Umwälzpume das Wasser
                zirkulieren.<br>
                im Winter läuft die Umwälzpumpe permanent und in der
                Übergangszeit im Intervall... immer ca 2min mit Pause
                von 2 bis 120 min... <br>
                das hängt wohl von der Aussentempetatur ab....<br>
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          Zirku hin oder her- warum sollte RL>VL sein? Gleichstand
          verstehe ich ja aber wärmer? Es sei denn die wären schon
          falsch rum hydraulisch angeschlossen?
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                  P.S.<br>
                  meiner Meinung nach macht die Nachtabsenkung bei einer
                  FHB mit so geringen Vorlauftemperaturen keinen Sinn.<br>
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            Sehe ich auch so. Hohen Brennwertnutzen gibt es nur bei
            geringen Temperaturen, also durchlaufen lassen. Ausserdem
            benötigt jeder Startvorgang zusätzlich Energie.</div>
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                  Viel wichtiger ist es den Gasbrenner richtig zu
                  parametisieren... Leistung anpassen... mit weniger
                  Leistung länger brennen lassen...<br>
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            Bei mir liegt da das Problem. Die Therme moduliert nur auf
            2,6kW und die werden oft nicht abgenommen. Daher die Starts.
            Letztlich wohl falsche Heizung da überdimensioniert :(</div>
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                  habe das bei einem Freund gemacht... ca 10-15%
                  Gasersparniss waren drin ... unter Berücksichtigung
                  des Wetters...<br>
                  der hat ein Wolf Therme da findet man viel in den
                  Foren...<br>
                  vg Dominik<br>
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            Viele Grüße, Andreas </div>
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                  -- <br>
                  Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon
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                  1;padding: 0.3em;">Am 28.03.17, 18:51, Frank Richter
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                    <div>Hallo Michael,
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                      <div>um dem Sägezahn-Thema auf die Spur zu kommen,
                        müsste man eigentlich auch wissen, ob und wie
                        viel die Heizungs-Pumpe in diesen Zeiträumen
                        läuft. Vermutlich läuft sie nicht dauerhaft,
                        sondern im Intervall-Betrieb, ansonsten kann ich
                        mir das Muster nicht erklären. Die Frage wäre
                        allerdings, warum läuft sie überhaupt, wenn die
                        Heizung über Sunden inaktiv ist (kein
                        Gasverbrauch)?</div>
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                      <div>Grüße</div>
                      <div>Frank</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">Am 28. März 2017 um 18:31
                        schrieb Koch, Michael <span><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:princemichi@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">princemichi@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                            <p>Hallo Andreas,</p>
                            <p>ich weiß es nicht.  Das was ich habe
                              liest sich zu laienhaft. So nach dem Motto
                              - "Drücken sie bitte den großen runden
                              grauen Knopf an der Front - damit schalten
                              Sie die Heizung ein!" :-)</p>
                            <p>Sprich: Benutzhandbuch. Aber wirklich die
                              Heizung parametrieren - nein. Besonders
                              bezgl. diesen "Dxxx"-Parametern - keine
                              Informationen vorhanden...</p>
                            <p>Zum Thema Sägezahn: Ich kann mir gut
                              vorstellen - das hier noch hydraulisch was
                              nicht stimmt, da der hydr. Abgleich noch
                              nicht gemacht worden ist. <br>
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                            <p>Die Heizung geht nachts derzeit noch ab
                              22 Uhr bis 6 Uhr in die Nachabsenkung.
                              Hier habe ich schon gelesen, das dies ja
                              nicht sinnvoll bei einer FBH ist?! Ich
                              stelle dies jetzt einfach mal so fest -
                              bin schließlich kein Installateur, sondern
                              nur Elektrömeista ;-)</p>
                            <p>Ich wollte aber erst mal die Werte so
                              erfassen um Datenbestände zu haben
                              (IST-Situation). Dann wollte ich mich
                              langsam an die richtige Konfiguration ran
                              tasten...</p>
                            <p>Schon mal herzlichen Dank für das
                              bisherige Feedback!</p>
                            <p>Grüße,</p>
                            <p>Michael<br>
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                                  28.03.2017 um 16:23 schrieb Andreas
                                  Goetz:<br>
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                                        <div>On 28. Mar 2017, at 12:51,
                                          Koch, Michael <<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:princemichi@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">princemichi@gmail.com</a>>
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                                            <p>Hallo,</p>
                                            <p>hallo Andreas,<br>
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                                            <p>...</p>
                                            <p>Zur Situation: Ich habe
                                              letztes Jahr ein KfW70
                                              Haus mit Brennwertheizung
                                              und FBH gebaut. Die
                                              Heizung ist eine <u><b>Vaillant
                                                </b></u><u><b>VSC S
                                                  206/4-5 190E</b></u>
                                              mit 190 Liter
                                              Warmwasserspeicher, sowie
                                              solarer
                                              Warmwasserzubereitung.</p>
                                            <p>Leider finde ich keine
                                              ordentliche Dokumentation
                                              im Internet - ohne das ich
                                              in der
                                              "Fachhandwerkerebene"
                                              etwas aus unwissenheit
                                              verstelle.</p>
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                                      Hast Du die
                                      Installateurshandbücher? Falls
                                      nein könnte ich die evtl.
                                      besorgen.<br>
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                                            <p>Es ist fast unmöglich
                                              hier eine gute Doku
                                              zufinden um Herr über
                                              seine eigene Heizung zu
                                              werden!</p>
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                                      Absolut. Da meine nicht lief habe
                                      ich sie ans Monitoring
                                      angeschlossen und die Fehler dann
                                      selber ausgemerzt...<br>
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                                            <p>Außerdem habe ich noch
                                              eine Frage: Die Heizung
                                              besitzt einen sog. eBus -
                                              kennt sich jemand damit
                                              aus? Ist wohl ein
                                              "serieller 2-Draht Bus"
                                              mit 2400 Baud.</p>
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                                      Definiere “auskennen”. Ich habe
                                      vor einiger Zeit mal über ebus
                                      geschrieben, einfach SuFu
                                      benutzen. Ansonsten findest Du im
                                      FHEM Forum einen Adapter zum
                                      selber löten. Dazu kommt dann noch
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://github.com/ebusd/ebusd"
                                        target="_blank">github.com/ebusd/ebusd</a> und
                                      vielleicht noch <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://github.com/john30/ebusd/issues/58"
                                        target="_blank">https://github.com/john30/ebusd/issues/58</a> </div>
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                                    <div>Viele Grüße, </div>
                                    <div>Andreas</div>
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                                            <p>Liebe Grüße,</p>
                                            <p>Michael<br>
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                                              27.03.2017 um 22:11
                                              schrieb Andreas Götz:<br>
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                                              <div>Sensoren falsch rum
                                                angeschlossen oder
                                                falsch im Logging?
                                                Gasheizung mit FBH? Die
                                                Temperaturen sind
                                                jedenfalls schon
                                                erfreulich niedrig,
                                                meine Kurve schicke ich
                                                morgen...</div>
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                                              <div>Viele Grüße, Andreas </div>
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                                                Am 27.03.2017 um 21:58
                                                schrieb Koch, Michael
                                                <<a
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href="mailto:princemichi@gmail.com" target="_blank">princemichi@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                                                  <p>Hallo,</p>
                                                  <p>ich habe mal die
                                                    Heizung hinzugefügt.<br>
                                                  </p>
                                                  <p>Mal ne frage: Wie
                                                    sieht eure Heizkurve
                                                    so aus?</p>
                                                  <p>Bei mir sieht das
                                                    so aus:</p>
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                                                  <p>Würde mich mal
                                                    interessieren ob das
                                                    bei euch auch so
                                                    aussieht :-)</p>
                                                  <p>Glaube bei mir
                                                    läuft da was noch
                                                    nicht so rund ...</p>
                                                  <p>Grüße,</p>
                                                  <p>Michael<br>
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